Black borders (up and down) recalbox 8 + pi2scart + crt
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@0zzy CRT timings are all sets in respect to the original Hardware timings. This means, the top/bottom bars are the same on the original hardware.
Since NTSC games use less horizontal lines than PAL games, you'll often get top/bottom bars.
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Hi @bkg2k , i have black bars on PAL games not on NTSC (pal image is also a little bit streched, we are talking about 3 cm video, not a few pixel lines)
I use the same romset on a PC with crtemudrivers and retroarch, PAL and NTSC games works both fine in a full screen CRT monitor
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@0zzy yop o/
Pal games are starting in PAL mode 50HZ like on the original pal hardware :
there was black bars on pal games, as the mode was 288p with 224 or 240 pixel height games.We are working on a option to select the mode of pal games when starting it : PAL or NTSC.
Just not implemented yet.
If you search well in the wiki, you can override modes : https://wiki.recalbox.com/en/tutorials/video/crt/recalbox-on-crt-with-scart-dac
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@digitalumberjack said in Black borders (up and down) recalbox 8 + pi2scart + crt:
@0zzy yop o/
Pal games are starting in PAL mode 50HZ like on the original pal hardware :
there was black bars on pal games, as the mode was 288p with 224 or 240 pixel height games.We are working on a option to select the mode of pal games when starting it : PAL or NTSC.
Just not implemented yet.
If you search well in the wiki, you can override modes : https://wiki.recalbox.com/en/tutorials/video/crt/recalbox-on-crt-with-scart-dac
Hi @digitaLumberjack, from all this, i have understand NTSC games are visualized correctly but not PAL games, right?
i have seen this link a few post above, but, i don't have clear... there is an exemple:
if i need to lets Recalbox load PAL games, i have to write on system.txt something likesnes,pal, ???, 0, 0is it right? how recalbox recognize pal and ntsc games?
If we can use system.txt why are you working on a option to select the mode of pal games? I have a lot of confusion now..
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snes,pal,snes:nes:pal:240@50.0069,0,0is it right for system.txt?
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Can someone explain me the meaning of the mode:
1920 1 80 184 312 224 1 9 3 24 0 0 0 60 0 39001717 1 -
@digitaLumberjack can someone explain me why i can't play pal games on a pal tv, really i don't have clear this
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@0zzy I have not a solution, I just noticed that I cannot play PAL games for Atari 7800, they just do not start, I dont know why.
About your question, you mean that you cannot play PAL games on full screen, right? I remember that some PAL Atari 2600 games are bad conversion that only use a part of the lines of PAL system, it means they are in NTSC resolution but displayed in PAL standard with higher resolution.
Do you have a problem with just few PAL games or all ?
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@wizzard said in Black borders (up and down) recalbox 8 + pi2scart + crt:
PAL games or all ?
Hi @Wizzard, yes i have this black borders on the top and bottom of the screen only on pal games.
As @Bkg2k and @digitaLumberjack say, the problem is the different refresh rate and resolution between pal and ntsc games, but i don't understand why this happen only on crt tv and not on lcd screen (on a normal lcd tv i can play both using batocara).
I was tryng to understand if i can manually bypass this, editing system.txt and a modes.txt, , so i can play pal games insted of ntsc, but i don't know how interpreter that mode line as i asked a few lines ago. -
@0zzy OK, and does that problem occur on all PAL games or just a few PAL games? I am trying to understand, cause I will apparently have similar problem in a few days after I get my pi2scart.
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@wizzard said in Black borders (up and down) recalbox 8 + pi2scart + crt:
oblem in a few days after I get my pi2scart
all pal games i have tried (more than a dozen, so i have to suppose all) for snes and genesis (i don't use any other console)
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@digitalumberjack said in Black borders (up and down) recalbox 8 + pi2scart + crt:
@0zzy yop o/
Pal games are starting in PAL mode 50HZ like on the original pal hardware :
there was black bars on pal games, as the mode was 288p with 224 or 240 pixel height games.We are working on a option to select the mode of pal games when starting it : PAL or NTSC.
Just not implemented yet.
Hi @digitalLumberjack , has been solved in Recalbox 8.0.1 ?
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@0zzy yes the feature is present in recalbox 8.0.1, still experimental though. Enable the region selection from the crt menu.
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@digitalumberjack said in Black borders (up and down) recalbox 8 + pi2scart + crt:
@0zzy yes the feature is present in recalbox 8.0.1, still experimental though. Enable the region selection from the crt menu.
Hi @digitalLumberjack , i have enabled "select game refresh rate at launch" but snes games still have black bars,
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@0zzy do you start them in 60hz ?
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@digitalumberjack i have enabled only these options,
when i run a snes games, i have no other menu or voice to select between 50/60 hz
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@digitalumberjack said in Black borders (up and down) recalbox 8 + pi2scart + crt:
@0zzy do you start them in 60hz ?
Hi @digitaLumberjack can you explain me how? I havent seen any particular setup about it.
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@0zzy yes we have a little bug that will be fixed for the next release.
The 50/60hz mode cannot be forced yet
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@digitalumberjack said in Black borders (up and down) recalbox 8 + pi2scart + crt:
@0zzy yes we have a little bug that will be fixed for the next release.
The 50/60hz mode cannot be forced yet
Hi @digitalLumberjack is there a public release planning? I'm looking every day for a new release
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Hi, i'm waiting my own rgbdual but for now i have enabled this update using my pi2scart.
update.type=recalboxrgbdual50/60 Hz selection is now available, and pal games on snes are more "wider" now, but the image is a few centimeters shifted down.
On EmulationStation the image is centered, is there an option to center the image only for specific emulators?
