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ian57

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ironic

Nice cable.

I give you Timings i use.

** 60Hz Timings ** Up to 224p
hdmi_timings 960 1 24 96 120 248 1 3 10 6 0 0 0 60 0 19200000 1
hdmi_timings 1920 1 48 192 240 248 1 3 10 6 0 0 0 60 0 38400000 1

** 50Hz Timings ** Up to 256p
hdmi_timings 1920 1 48 192 240 302 1 3 10 6 0 0 0 50 0 38400000 1
hdmi_timings 960 1 24 96 120 302 1 3 10 6 0 0 0 50 0 19200000 1

Do not forget you can change CRT parameters (as overscan) if you CRT isn't too old.
If you use Arcade monitor, use potentiometers.

I think 960 horizontal pixel is enough but, feel free to try.
(Hum, up to 1920 is better...).

If you want to play arcade games in 224p/60Hz, it is better to sort them.
I made a script (.bat) to extrach all 224p games from mame and fba romsets.
85% of best arcade games are 224p, never mind honrizontal resolution.

There's others game which can"t be run in 224p. like R-Type (384x256x55Hz)
Let's see what wee can do...later....

aTg

@ironic but the horizontal resolution needs to adjust to the screen, by default many machines resice the native resolutions to 4:3 format and if you expand horizontal many games to 1920x224 the aspect ratio of the game is not 4:3

In SNES for example I need to put 1778x224 in snes.cfg (using 1920 timing) to view the correct aspect of the game.

The case of CPS3, is inside the list of 224p games but is 384 in the horizontal resolution, this shows incredible ovescan for inportant games like sf2.

I think the solution is a database, based on a one standar resolution and with the resicing parameters for every rom, is a lot of work I know but is the only way.

ironic

Yes, of course, i also resize horizontally to have 4/3 screen.
If not, the horizontal overscan is big and the game isn't 4/3.
In snes, i have approximately the same resolution.

For a games of 256x224, 320x224 or 384x224, it's the same viewport.
If viewport is setup for a 224p 4/3 game, it can accept all 224p games.

I have an arcade database of over 8000 games with many games informations. i'm writing severls small batabases of games, by vertical resolution and refresh rate.

I think also, databases are the only way to handle games specs.
(i do it since a year with games lists for severals Fba.libretro versions)

We must do for MAME and FBA :
Databases of :

190p at 50Hz
190p at 60Hz
200p at 50Hz
200p at 55Hz
200p at 60Hz
...
240p at 60Hz
...
256p at 55Hz
...

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@ironic mame can generate .dat files with resolution info. I've been using that for some time, but take care to take an old mame version because the format changed on latter versions. As I've worked pretty much with advancemame which is based on Mame 0.106 i have the XML file.

onaryc

Hi,

I follow this thread for some time trying to keep up with all the work/solutions when i will have time to do this.

There is one thing which is not clear for me : who is setting the correct resolution? Is it done by script before launching the emu (libretro core,...) or are you setting the timings and then when the emu ask for a particular resolution, the system changes accordingly (like emu, i.e. mame with autoswitch res, on a PC with soft15khz for example)?

If this is the first solution, how is the resolution modification during game execution is taken into account?

Of course, imho, the second solution seems to be the best one, but perhaps there is some limitation from the emu themselves.

Anyway, keep up the good work, it will be amazing to have a simple 15khz RGB output on the PI!

ironic

@Substring
Is it this type of database ?
8000 arcade games

@onaryc
RGP-Pi (Recalbox 4.0)
For this time, there is one resolution by libreto core.
All resolutions can be found in config.txt file.
It's ready to play. emulator resolution is launched before emulator and emulationstation resolution is restored before back to emulationstation .

I think changing resolution on the fly in game is impossible.

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@ironic it's just from a mame .dat file find a mame exe, check its command line switches and you will see

ironic

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Ok, the MAME XML

Let see how i handle multiple resolutions by emulator.
Sorry, i don't use Configgen.

Emulator :

MAME

Few games :

R-Type (rtype.zip) : 384x256x55Hz
After Burner II (aburner2.zip) : 320x224x60Hz
Golden Axe (goldnaxe.zip) : 320x224x60Hz
Caveman Ninja (cninja.zip) : 320x240x60Hz

I use 4 resolutions (more come soon) :
1920 1 48 192 240 248 1 3 10 6 0 0 0 60 0 38400000 1 For fullscreen 224p at 60Hz games.
1888 1 48 184 232 278 1 3 10 6 0 0 0 55 0 38400000 1 For fullscreen 256p at 55Hz games.
960 1 24 96 120 248 1 3 10 6 0 0 0 60 0 19200000 1 For all others games which are not in databases (just for try games).
480 1 14 45 56 300 1 10 5 5 0 0 0 60 0 9600000 1 For EmulationStation.

In datadases, i have referenced 2 games :

[aburner2.zip] to use 224p x 60Hz
[rtype.zip] to use 256p x 55Hz

From emulationstation/MAME, i have :

After Burner II
Caveman Ninja
Golden Axe
R-Type

If i choose After Burner, the game is launching in fullscreen 224p 60Hz with "retroarchcustom.cfg" AND 224-60.cfg (for adapted viewport of all 240p games)
If i choose R-Type, the game is launching in fullscreen 256p 55Hz with "retroarchcustom.cfg" AND 256-55.cfg (for adapted viewport of all 256p games)
If i choose Golden Axe, the game is launching in a 960x240x60Hs screen with "retroarchcustom.cfg" AND standart.cfg (small viewport to try games) because is not in database
If i choose Caveman Ninja, the game is launching in a 960x240x60Hs screen with "retroarchcustom.cfg" AND standart.cfg (small viewport to try games) because is not in database

I think is the perfect way to handle multiple resolutions per core.
It works great

The databases is a file named "resolution.cfg" in recalbox/share/roms/mame/ folder
In this file there's :

declare -A mame_games
#320x224x60Hz
mame_games[aburner2.zip]="224-60"
mame_games[goldnaxe.zip]="224-60"
mame_games[shinobi.zip]="224-60
...
#384x256x55Hz
mame_games[rtype.zip]="256-55"
...

It's very easy to add game to resolution.

CODE :

. /recalbox/share/roms/mame/resolutions.cfg


if [[ "$emulator" == "mame" ]]; then

	if [[ -n ${mame_games[$filename]} ]]; then

 		if [[ ${mame_games[$filename]} == "224-60" ]]; then
 	          vcgencmd hdmi_timings 1920 1 48 192 240 248 1 3 10 6 0 0 0 60 0 38400000 1
       		  tvservice -e "DMT 87"
        	  fbset -depth 8 && fbset -depth 16
       		  retroarch -L /usr/lib/libretro/mame078_libretro.so --config /recalbox/share/system/configs/retroarch/retroarchcustom.cfg --appendconfig /recalbox/share/system/configs/retroarch/resolutions/${mame_games[$filename]}.cfg $1
		elif [[ ${mame_games[$filename]} == "256-55" ]]; then
		  vcgencmd hdmi_timings 1888 1 48 184 232 278 1 3 10 6 0 0 0 55 0 38400000 1
       		  tvservice -e "DMT 87"
        	  fbset -depth 8 && fbset -depth 16
       		  retroarch -L /usr/lib/libretro/mame078_libretro.so --config /recalbox/share/system/configs/retroarch/retroarchcustom.cfg --appendconfig /recalbox/share/system/configs/retroarch/resolutions/${mame_games[$filename]}.cfg $1
		fi
	else
          vcgencmd hdmi_timings 960 1 24 96 120 248 1 3 10 6 0 0 0 60 0 19200000 1
       	  tvservice -e "DMT 87"
          fbset -depth 8 && fbset -depth 16
          retroarch -L /usr/lib/libretro/mame078_libretro.so --config /recalbox/share/system/configs/retroarch/retroarchcustom.cfg --appendconfig /recalbox/share/system/configs/retroarch/resolutions/standart.cfg $1
	fi

vcgencmd hdmi_timings 480 1 14 45 56 300 1 10 5 5 0 0 0 60 0 9600000 1
tvservice -e "DMT 87"
fbset -depth 8 && fbset -depth 16

fi

Of course, it can (will) be optimised...

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@ironic As 4.1 is coming closer and closer (have you seen the blog is back ?) this will be a little different as you can :

add per system .cfg (well, you can already do it, that's something we made quite early in this topic)
add per rom .cfg (not much different in fact)
have configgen use hdmi_cvt or hdmi_timings resolutions. What is truly missing is to handle a per game resolution. Haven't found yet an elegant way to do it, except having a massive file saying which resolution for which game (that needs to be written. I wanted to have, for each arcade rom : resolution + screen rotation angle)

ironic

A per game resolution ins'nt needed, need resolutions/frequency for games...
Arcade games must be separate :

Mame or FBA.
Honrizontal or vertical.
Resolutions.
Frequency

I have 350 MAME roms and 340 FBA.
I need more 30 resolutions/frames rate files.

To handle all Mame/Fba games, there is need more files.

ian57

@ironic How to change the CRT overscan? A menu in the tv OSD? or need to tune potentiometers inside the TV?

ironic

If your CRT isn't too old, there's pehaps a hidden menu. On my 33cm WALTHAM (11AK57 chassis), i must :

Open the menu : MENU KEY
Hit : 4, 7, 2, 5
And the hidden config menu appear.

I can't tell you if your CRT have this menu and how open it.
On most CRT, you must : Open menu and enter a code (as me 4725).
Be carefoul, it's hard to understand all parameters.

You must looking for on line for code and/or try all codes you can find.

--

I sorted all my MAME games by resolutions and by frequency.
You can see, i must use a lot (more 40) of resolution/frequancy.
And remember, here there no vertical games.
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1st ligne, 224p is vertical resolution (no need honrizontal resolution).
And 60 is frequency (60Hz).

We can bring together some frequency.
60.096154 is near 60.
But there is some specific resolutions as : 57.444853Hz.

Is it near 55Hz or 60Hz ?
I think, games up to 240p must be 60Hz and over 240p, 55Hz.
And this : 27.407585Hz and 76.293945Hz ?

And FBA ??!!

Work begin...

ian57

@ironic thanks for the reply... i don't have the remote control of the TV... so no luck tu test if there is a hidden menu Will try that on another one. Thanks

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@ironic that's why there is AdvanceMame, it's supposed to handle arcade without a hitch.

The real deal for now would rather be consoles

ian57

@ironic @substring http://www.advancemame.it/doc-install : advmame uses programmable modelines for DPI and HDMI. All seems to be automatic now

"Whatever hdmi_mode you select, the Advance programs will use mode 87 group 2, restoring your selected original mode when finished."

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@ian57 because DMT 87 is the only way to specify hdmi_timngs, you have no choice but :

set hdmi_timings
switch to DMT 87

aTg

The problem is that we still do not know how exactly the custom hdmi_timings of AdvMAME works to carry it to the other emulators, the Ironic method can be used with all the emulators already.

Does Recalbox plan to introduce these changes officially? Or is it going to have to be another mod?

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@aTg as I said, advmame can do the job for now, and that's why i added it. For the retroarch part, this will come later, but for now, it looks like anything linked to arcade is not yet ready, so i can't implement anything yet. The subject is complicated and has not yet reached maturity, i will spend some time on it once the tries and conclusions seem definitive.

If I'm not mistaken, so far we're just trying to reach a DAR of 4:3, but not a PAR of 1:1 ... @ironic do you agree with that ?

For emulator, advancemess will also be included, so once again, the same story goes : rely on the emulator. But I didn't even have a single second to test advmess yet. But for now, i have definitely no time to spend on that. Holidays are coming, 4.1 is on the go as said on the blog.

ironic

How advmame timings works ?
Is it possible to setup all timings for all resolution/frame rate ?
With manually timings, we can move up, down, left, right, the viewport screen and adjust overscan. It's perfect for people who can't adjust viewport.

What about 38.4Mhz pixel clocks in advmame ? i use it and advmame doesn't refer. But i think it works.

DAR, PAR, SAR, 1:1, 4/3, 16/9...
I think (sorry, it's strange), using a virtually (1920 pixels, can be more) infinite honrizontal pixels line and a fixed vertical resolution (as game scanlines) isn't DAR or something else.

We must reach fullscreen with very small overscan and 4/3 ratio.

Many years ago, when i was young, my first arcade experience was black&white arcade screen cabinet with no sound. Since, i played a lot of arcade games.
I was ungry when a new arcade cabinet had very poor screen setup.
Big overscan, too bright/less bright, blurry, very bad colors... and a f*****g aspect ratio.

And i had a dream...
My work will be arcade cabinet technician....

And .. when dreams come true...
I was arcade cabinet technician for 3 years and it was very difficult to respect game aspect ratio with new JAMMA PCB. Where are parameters ? not with JAMMA PCB !!.
All this to say, what is correct aspect ratio ?
How do we must setup the viewport ?

In my mind, it's as i want.
I think, it's when all seems "real" (no honrizontal/vertical aberation) with small overscan.

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