08.02.19 e configurazione amiga

[niculinux]

@starbury amiberry su recalbox 18.03.30 funziona solo al momento con le versioni kickstart di cui alla wiki: https://github.com/recalbox/recalbox-os/wiki/Amiga-on-Recalbox-(EN)

[voljega]

@zolive59 it's not Kick31.rom it won't work, it's kick31.rom

[zolive59]

Après nos échanges en privé pour éviter d’encombrer le forum, son problème vient du fait qu'il utilise un vieux XP, et ses téléchargements donnent des fichiers corrompu.
Il va travailler avec un autre ordinateur pour éviter ces problèmes.
@voljega Oui mais son soucis ne venait pas de là

[zolive59]

Autre information importante au sujet d'Amberry: Pour avoir la vrai vitesse des jeux Amiga sans saccades: Il faut configurer l'ES en 50hz (soit en 720p ou 1080p) car il n'est pas possible de changer la résolution et les hertz d'Amberry (il n'utilise pas Retroarch), par contre, les autres émulateurs utiliseront le 60Hrz.
Il faut aussi utiliser le mode 50Hrz pour l'émulateur C64.
Fichier config.txt

uncomment to force a specific HDMI mode (this will force VGA)

hdmi_group=1
hdmi_mode=19
(pour le mode 720p 50hrz) si votre moniteur/Tv supporte ce mode.

[voljega]

@zolive59 said in 08.02.19 e configurazione amiga:
Better to speak at least in english as it is an italian subject, not a french one

@voljega Oui mais son soucis ne venait pas de là

This doesn't mean it's ok to give false information about name of bios, which will lead to emulator not working and me having to do support.

@zolive59 said in 08.02.19 e configurazione amiga:

Autre information importante au sujet d'Amberry: Pour avoir la vrai vitesse des jeux Amiga sans saccades: Il faut configurer l'ES en 50hz (soit en 720p ou 1080p) car il n'est pas possible de changer la résolution et les hertz d'Amberry (il n'utilise pas Retroarch), par contre, les autres émulateurs utiliseront le 60Hrz.

This is totally untrue and nonsense, I don't know how much tweaking you did to your recalbox bedore trying amiga, but Amiberry works without any 'saccades' out of the box on the standard Recalbox connected to a standard tv or computer screen, I spent two years on it with various screens, pis and configurations, testing thousands of games so clearly you're misleaded

[zolive59]

@voljega I did not give false information, you're upset not to have found his problem?

what you say is not only wrong, but proves a misunderstanding of the Amiga, but I will explain to you:
The Amiga works in 50hrz in Europe, so do the j**k games in 60hrz.
you are the only one who does not know it !
But since you discover it, I will give you the proof on several TVs, the time to capture and upload videos.
see you soon.

[voljega]

@zolive59 said in 08.02.19 e configurazione amiga:

I did not give false information

yes you did about name of bios.

for the 'saccades' issue, I'm waiting to see, because "The Amiga works in 50hrz in Europe, so do the j**k games in 60hrz" doesn't mean anything, at least in english.

also hundred of people tested the emulator included people from the amiga scene and you would the first to discover the problem ?
example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71nOBcxN4qw do you see any 'saccades' ?

[zolive59]

yes, the videos j**ks, it shows especially on Alien Breed.
I do not have time to do a demonstration tonight, but tomorrow I show you the difference here with video evidence.

[voljega]

@zolive59 said in 08.02.19 e configurazione amiga:

yes, the videos j**ks, it shows especially on Alien Breed.

Well I don't see it, and the guy who did the video, Michael Gibbs, who used to be part of amiga demoscene and wrote Tiny Launcher didn't see it either, or didn't mention it
Also the entire amibery team didn't see it either, or didn't mention it, and still doesn't mention it.

So, waiting for your video, but I'm pretty sure I won't see anything

[niculinux]

@starbury said in 08.02.19 e configurazione amiga:

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dc10d7bdd1b6f450773dfb558477c230 questo è il mio kick 20
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l'hash relativo al kickstart 2.0 è quello relativo in realtà al kickstart 2.04 - rev37.175 - utilizzato dall'amiga a500+ Spero che la wiki venga aggironata perchè è l'unico di cui manca la revisione specifica nella pagina:
https://github.com/recalbox/recalbox-os/wiki/Amiga-on-Recalbox-(EN)

[starbury]

@niculinux ho provato un po di tutto. nulla da fare. cercando un po su internet ho scoperto che il mio problema potrebbe essere i due joypad configurati,ovvero i due xin-mo-xin-mo dual arcade...fatemi sapere. ora vado a dormire. ciao e grazie a tutti dei consigli.

[niculinux]

@starbury in effetti oltre l'amiberry implementato su recalbox che non supporta ancora certe cose anche la scelta del controller è importante, ti suggerisco di dare un'occhiata qua:
https://github.com/recalbox/recalbox-os/wiki/Compatibility-(EN)

[zolive59]

@voljega As promised, here are the two videos: One in 60hrz and the other in 50hrz on the same Raspberry 3.
Test done on "Great Giana Sister" and "Alien Breed T.A" for example.
On a real Amiga, the scrollings are fluid like the 50Hrz mode.
The problem is idem on other TVs, and computers even on PC with Winuae.

If after these videos you tell me that you do not see differences between the 60 and 50hrz, I can not anything for you.

Amiga in 60Hrz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLZ-4FPhiQc

Amiga in 50Hrz:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUWPlwWZftE

[voljega]

@zolive59
I don't see any differences at all for Alien Breed.

For Giana Sisters title scrolling, the 50Hz does seems a little more fluid (that is a little more speedy, not a question of 'saccades') than the 60Hz until you arrive at 0:46 / 0:47 in the 50hz video where there is indeed an ugly 'saccade' an another one a little later. So I indeed do see do big 'saccades'... in the video you're presenting as the superior one....

But if you have any ressource, article anything about this amiga issue, I will gladly read it.

[zolive59]

@voljega "I don't see any differences at all for Alien Breed."
Are you serious or is it a joke ?

"For Giana Sisters title scrolling, the 50Hz does seems a little more fluid (that is a little more speedy, not a question of 'saccades') than the 60Hz until you arrive at 0:46 / 0:47 in the 50hz video where there is indeed an ugly 'saccade' an another one a little later. So I indeed do see do big 'saccades'... in the video you're presenting as the superior one...."

My phone is of poor quality, I do not have a device to capture the direct video source.
in addition, the quality is degraded by the encoding of youtube.
Do the experiment yourself, pass the ES in 50p and you will see yourself a huge difference.

"But if you have any ressource, article anything about this amiga issue, I will gladly read it."
Ok, I'm preparing you this weekend

[zolive59]

@voljega You just have to be blind or bad for not seeing the difference.
Even my grandmother sees it ...
take me for a fool ...

[zolive59]

A tip for those who do not have crap in their eyes: Go to 50herz from the file "config. txt " To have the games at the right speed on Amiga and C64.
The other emulators will be at the right speed: 60hrz

[zolive59]

@voljega I invite you to read this topic, in French :
https://www.amigaimpact.org/forums/topic/indivision-1200-aga-mk2cr-et-ecran-50hz/
"Si tu n’es pas en 50 Hz, c’est impossible que ce soit fluide. Peut-être est-tu moins sensible aux saccades que d’autres personnes"
"If you are not in 50hz, it is impossible to be fluid. Perhaps you are less susceptible to j**king than other people"

in the future, avoid talking about things you do not know.

[voljega]

@zolive59 said in 08.02.19 e configurazione amiga:

You just have to be blind or bad for not seeing the difference.
Even my grandmother sees it ...
take me for a fool ...

I was waiting for some better link that some obscure rant from some guy which like you is'nt even capable to convince other people. There are least two guys on the thread you linked which are no more convinced than me, that this is an issue. I suppose they are fool too, like all people i mentioned, including the whole amiberry team

I will pass on the whole ridiculous aspect of your own intervention here where the only example you're capable of giving doesn't even goes in your way... and when this is said to you the only thing you manage to say is that your phone is not capable of reproducing what your talking about.

anyway given the childish and insulting tone of your last posts and your utter lack of ability to prove your point clearly and politely, I don't see any point in continuing this 'discussion'

[zolive59]

@voljega Even a blind person sees the difference on these two videos.
Coming from a person who knows nothing about the operation of the Amiga, it is better to stay there.
PS: Avoid advising the Amiga in the future, let the people who know about it talk about it.